Interview with Sue Macy



March is National Women's History Month.  To celebrate, author, Sue Macy stopped by to answer a few questions.  For those of you who don't know, Sue is the author of Wheels of Change: How Women Rode the Bicycle to Freedom (With a Few Flat Tires Along the Way) which was recognized with a nomination for a YALSA Excellence in Nonfiction for Young Adults.  Way to go Sue!


For some background information for my readers - When did you decide to become a writer? And how did you come upon being a writer of nonfiction books for children?

When I was a junior in high school, I won a competition sponsored by my local New Jersey newspaper that enabled me to attend the National High School Institute in Journalism at Northwestern University. That five-week summer experience was the foundation for my career as a nonfiction author.  I had always liked to write and was the editor in chief of my junior high and high school newspapers, but the Northwestern program gave me the practical and ethical tools that have used throughout my career. I see myself primarily as a reporter, but one who usually reports on events and developments that happened in the past.

Basketball Belles came out about a year ago.  When I read it, I immediately had to tell others about it.  What was the inspiration for writing the story of about Agnes Morley and her team mates?

I first learned about the 1896 game portrayed in Basketball Belles more than 15 years ago, when I was writing Winning Ways: A Photohistory of American Women in Sports. At that time, I read some of the reporting about the game in the San Francisco newspapers. Since no men were allowed to watch the game, all of the reporters were women, and it was really interesting to read their perspectives on this sports event. As it happens, my college thesis advisor at Princeton had become a tenured professor at Stanford, and that made the idea of researching this game, which was between Stanford and Cal Berkeley, even more enticing. I didn’t decide to focus on Agnes Morley till much later in the process, when I realized I needed a central character and decided it had to be a player. I researched the backgrounds of a lot of players, but I felt I got to know Agnes best because I read some of the short stories she wrote, and her memoir. The circumstances of her childhood made her the perfect protagonist.

How many hours of research goes into writing a nonfiction picture book like Basketball Belles and how do you work to ensure that the facts are as accurate as possible?

Since my writing background is as a journalist, I’m a stickler for facts and the “truth.” I struggled with that when I was working on Basketball Belles. It was my first picture book, and I knew I had to make the story compelling and exciting, but I also wanted it to be true. One of the drafts centered on a fictional girl who was attending the game so she could write a school report, but it felt wrong injecting a fictional character into the mix. I’m glad I jettisoned her and highlighted Agnes Morley instead.

As for how much research I did, the answer is: LOTS! I went to Stanford and Cal to use their libraries and even spoke to the current women’s basketball coaches there. That wasn’t at all necessary, but I’m a basketball fan and it was such a treat. It also helped me put that first game in perspective. I think I read every article written about that game, before and after it was played, in all the San Francisco papers, as well as those from Berkeley and Stanford. I tried to follow up on the stories of as many players as I could. I think there’s another book in that, or at least an article. The group of players went on to be teachers, doctors, and scientists, as well as wives and mothers. It was quite a crew.

Do you have any writing rituals or routines? 

I’m big on organization. When I start a project, I label a series of file folders so I can file my research articles according to the chapters they belong in. I also have folders for photographs, memos and correspondence, back matter, and other topics. That helps tremendously because I gather lots of material and it does me no good if it just sits in a pile on my desk. If I file it away, I can usually find it when I need it.

While I can read my research anywhere, most of my work is done at my desk, in front of my computer. A few years ago I got a Mac with a 27-inch screen because I like to have a lot of windows open at once. When I’m writing, I’ll often refer to Internet sites to check facts or confirm spellings. When I’m doing online photo research, I’ll compare a number of photographs head to head to decide which ones work best for me.

My other ritual is to let things gel by taking occasional breaks to play an online game. When I was working on a PC, I would play Spider Solitaire. Now I’m somewhat obsessed with the Jigsaw Puzzle Generator on the National Geographic Web site (http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/your-shot/jigsaw-puzzles). That makes jigsaw puzzles out of photographs, and you use your mouse to put the pieces together. It’s a great way to step back from the intensity of writing, and it usually ends up helping me move the story forward when I go back to it.

Recently, I heard some historical fiction writers talk about their research and how some of the techniques could be used by children as part of the writing process.  Are there certain things that you can suggest to teachers that they can use to assist young writers?

Whenever I write about a period in history, I try to read the newspapers of that time. Often, I use the Library of Congress’s Historic Newspapers collection (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov). It covers newspapers from 1836 to 1922 and is easily searchable. If you want to find out what the papers were saying about basketball in 1896, for example, you can use search parameters to find the articles in the newspapers in the collection, which includes papers from 30 states and the District of Columbia. You can even target specific states or newspapers in your search.

I’m also big on timelines. I’m currently trying to lock down an idea for a new YA nonfiction book, and I actually downloaded a timelines app that automatically plugs information I input onto a graphic timeline. It really helps me look at the big picture. For example, I input the lifespans of about 20 people I’m considering covering in the book, and with the timeline I can see at a glance who was born first, who lived the longest, and when their lives overlapped. It’s a very useful tool, whether your research covers a century or only a year.

One of the challenges many of my librarian friends run into is with the number of pages in a nonfiction book for 4th to 8th graders.  Many children will come in asking for a biography or nonfiction work on a particular topic and say that it needs to be 150 pages  I have noticed that many nonfiction books for this age group fall between 96 to 130 pages. Many of these books are fantastic.  Any thoughts on how to help teachers recognize the quality of a nonfiction book despite this randomly set number of page criteria not being met?   

When I started writing nonfiction for that age range in 1993, many books were straight narratives. The trim sizes of the pages were similar to those of fiction books  and they usually had rivers of text, broken up by some captioned pictures. Today, trim sizes are bigger to make room for sidebars and features and primary source reprints. While there is still a narrative thread in most books, there’s also supplemental material that helps readers gain additional perspective on the story (and fulfills the mandate of the Common Core to teach kids to use primary sources). If kids read all of these sidebars and analyze the images, they may very well spend as much time with a 96-page book as their predecessors did with a 150-page straight narrative. I’d urge teachers to reevaluate the strict mandate on page length to allow for the realities of the new nonfiction.

Anything that you can share about future books that you are working on?

My next project is a picture book about Roller Derby in 1948. It’s another subject I first wrote about in Winning Ways. There was a point in time when Roller Derby was first televised, and it both exploded in popularity and led people to embrace television as a medium that could show live action events. The book will focus on that moment in time, and on the skater with one of my favorite sports nicknames ever, Midge “Toughie” Brasuhn.

I’m also working on an idea about women in early television, but it’s too early to tell you much about that yet.

Thanks Sue for stopping by and celebrating National Women's History Month with us.  I am so going to check out the Library of Congress's Historic Newspaper link and the app for timelines sounds interesting.  

Don't forget to follow Sue on twitter:  @suemacy1

Interview with the Elegant Marisa Hopkins - Artist Extraordinaire & Designer of My Header

Almost a year ago, I became acquainted with Marisa Hopkins through a Maggie Stiefvater fan site.  She was looking for beta reader for her writing and I was willing to be said Beta Reader.  We clicked and became e-mail and social networking buds (one of these days we will really get to meet).

When I decided to start a book blog, I knew that I wanted Marisa to design the banner for me.  I had no clue what I wanted but I knew I loved colored pencils, Marisa's beautiful designs, and that I could trust her to do a wonderful job.  Recently, she blogged about her process for drawing a picture and used my header as the basis of the post.  Head on over to her blog, Elegant Bloggery, to check it out.  


Marisa graciously agreed to an interview so that you can learn more about her as an artist. 

When did you know you wanted to be an artist/illustrator/designer?

Truly, I can't remember a time when I DIDN'T want to be an artist. Even back to my preschool days my teachers had to force me outside to play because I never wanted to leave the coloring table. I was a freshman in high school when I started looking into Illustration as a college major, though I did change my mind eventually and majored in Creative Arts so I could focus on more than just drawing - I took a lot of English Lit classes, as well as children's theatre and dance and loved them all!

I love that you use colored pencils. It is one of my favorite mediums. Was there a reason that you were led to use colored pencils? Were you influenced by anyone's work?

Hurray for colored pencil lovers! Pencils have been my favorite medium since I was ten and received my first professional set as a present from my grandma for not scratching my chicken pox. Those colored pencils and I just seemed to click, and though I have played around with other mediums over the years, particularly acrylics, pastels, and watercolors, the colored pencils have always felt the best in my hands! I'm loyal, I think. I could never leave my pencils behind. (I just have to say that professional colored pencils are amazing.  I have a set and let me just say "touch them and you'll pull back a bloody stump"**)

In this day of high tech, computers and electronic drawing, using colored pencils seem so "organic" (not sure if that is the word I want). Do you find yourself thinking differently with pencil in hand vs. a computer mouse?

I have always been drawn to traditional art. I love the look of digital art, and sometimes wish I could do it well, but it's the feel of the wood pencils in my hand and the working of the lead into the paper that I love most about creating. Maybe it's a control thing as well... I feel more in control with a pencil than when I'm trying to create digitally - perhaps because I'm not very tech savvy and computers are still a mystery to me!


You are both an artist with pictures and with words. When you are creating a story, do you see it visually in your minds eye and then write it down or do you think of the words and imagine how it would be sketched? Or other?

Hmmm... that is a very good question! When I'm writing, it's mostly about the words I hear running through my head and then scramble to write down before they float away. I actually struggle to see things visually while I'm writing, other than a general idea of what I'd like to achieve. That might be why descriptions are the last layer I add to my stories, and dialogue is the first! But at the same time, I don't often visualize my illustrations before I draw them, either. They just seem to pop out of my pencil tip and then I manipulate them until I'm happy.

Do you have an special rituals for drawing? (i.e., music, place, type of pencils, etc.)

I don't, actually! I'm used to drawing whenever, wherever, with whatever! I think having two high-energy kids underfoot all day long has taken away any rituals I might have had. However, take away the kids, and I would draw all day in my studio, listening to music, with my Design Spectracolor pencils (which I use sparingly, as they were discontinued 12 years ago, and not so easy to come by these days).

Is there a piece of your work that you are most proud of and why?

The first time I sat down and designed a piece entirely out of my head without reference shots was when I created this Blue Leopard Snake illustration during my first year of college. All my art teachers from high school had me working exclusively from photo references or from other people's artwork, and creating from my imagination was what I wanted to do most. Until this snake illustration, I wasn't sure I was capable of drawing from my imagination. Nowadays, I rarely use references, and when I do it's usually because I can't remember the size of a hedgehog's nose, or the shape of a peacock's beak, rather than an entire drawing.



When you are working on a project for someone else, how do you balance out your vision for the final outcome with what might be their vision?

In the last few years I've done many, many custom projects and find I am given a LOT of freedom just about all of the time. I'm not sure if it's that my customers don't necessarily have a complete vision of what they want, or if they are familiar enough with my work that they trust whatever my vision might be, because usually a customer will say something like, "I want a monkey in a car" or "I want a pink cupcake with some flowers and a kitten" and I have to figure out for myself what that will look like. Custom orders are a challenge, especially as I'm never sure of what I'm doing until after I send off my first sketch and get that thumbs up or thumbs down. But if my sketch doesn't cut it the first time, it's always the starting point for more direction ("Sprinkls on the cupcake!" or "Big ears on the monkey!") and that always helps!  [Let me just say...this is true...she takes sparse thoughts and does good work.]


If you could meet or work with any artist living or dead, who would it be and why?

I am such a fan of Mary GrandPre (well known for her work on the American Harry Potter covers) and would LOVE to peek into her workspace and watch her create! Because of her, I have tried and tried, and tried again to use pastels well... but alas, I am no Mary Grandpre and end up with nothing but chalk smears and messy fingers, clothes and hair. Her work is absolutely brilliant and I admire her use of color very much!

Thank you Marisa for sharing with us your love of colored pencils and design work.  If you would like to purchase any of Marisa's work, she has an etsy site that you might want to check out.  

**If anyone can guess where the quote came from, I will give the winner a print from Marisa's Esty site.  Winner may select one print worth up to $21 plus shipping.  (All guesses must be made prior to September 17, 2010. If more than one person guesses right, a drawing will be held for a winner. Leave guesses in the comment section.) Hint:  It is from a TV show - off the air now, but still in syndication- not a book.